I hate it when people take a real-life problem, something utterly pragmatic, and try to tackle it as if it’s theoretical. I’m also starting to despise Republicans on general principle… and people who think they know enough to thoroughly dissect complex material because they took some basic course.
What am I referring to? This logically flawed and mildly sexism-euphemistic article about how “equal pay is anti-feminist” by some freshman.
Allow me to highlight a few key problematic quotes.
“ If there exist occupations in which men hold a competitive advantage over women for whatever reason…”
“Furthermore, if some firms truly were sexist…”
Right here, we have the underlying issue. This man refuses to acknowledge that sexism in the workforce is even real. Why all the “if”? There is no “if” about it. The data is out there. The analyses have been done. The experiences have been had for decades. Your mother, aunt, sisters, cousins, friends… they can all tell you about it. There is no logical reason for “if” unless it is being used simply to undermine the truth and further your sexist agenda. I feel as though you’re the type to say you were “starting with an objective mindset in order to properly examine the issue”, looking at this real problem as something abstract and starting from point zero when it is unnecessary unless you intend to try to eschew all previous findings and real-life experiences in order to make your prejudiced beliefs seem somehow vindicated.
Continuing…
“If there exist occupations in which men hold a competitive advantage over women for whatever reason, forcing equal pay will cause those occupations to become even more male dominated. The only way the less productive gender can find work is if they offer to work for less. Denying them the opportunity to do that just pushes them out of that labor market. It does nothing to help either gender. Similarly, if a woman has an advantage in a certain industry, an equal pay law would actually hold them back from achieving the wage they would have gotten in a competitive market.”
What kind of fucktastic logic? … Yeah, I refuse to go academic with this quote. You couldn’t even hold on to your charade of objectivity until after your abstract, inaccurate (and useless) modeling of people’s lives. What evidence do you have that women are less productive? What measure are you using? And how dare you use the phrase “offer to work for less” as if it’s a damn choice.
But then he mentions real life data, doesn’t cite the numbers or the source, and continues to go theoretical… but has the GALL to use a field he clearly knows nothing about (Statistics).
“Once you go into the data, real world effects explain much of the gap. For example, women are much more likely than men to drop out of the workforce. This is in large part due to childbirth. As such, employers take on additional risk and cost to hire women. This risk should be reflected in the wage. This concept of statistical price discrimination should not be foreign to most people. Take for example life insurance. The data shows that women live substantially longer than men. Thus, life insurance rates for women are lower than for men. This seems fair to most people, so statistically based wage discrimination should likewise be just. “
Let’s start with the sexists’ favorite reason for justifying the wage-gap - childbirth. Yes, women have maternity leave and some never come back (what are the numbers for that anyway? What percentage of women have children once they are hired? What percentage of all women leave the workforce for good due to childbirth?). To suggest, however, that all women should take a financial hit for this when 1) not all mothers leave the workforce after having children, 2) not all women will reproduce while on the job (even though sexist societies have a tendency to try to shame women who do not wish to reproduce), and 3) more women who do reproduce are waiting until they are well within their careers to have a child (which means they typically have vacation time saved up or can work from home) OR they have them while in college/grad school so they can be done reproducing before the career starts….so their initial hiring salary has no reason to be less than that of their male counterparts. But the overall conclusion to be met from these three points is simply that not every woman is the same and to assume that every woman wants a child, will have one once hired, will miss work because of it, and can therefore be assumed to be less productive than a man is not only inaccurate, but sexist. The wage-gap is a way to further punish women and benefit men for their own sexism. I mean you couldn’t just THINK the shit, you had to implement a pay system based on… theory.
It’s all theory. You are predicting how I will work and paying me based on a flawed abstract model and not on what I can do for the company right here, right now in the real world. You’re not paying me based on what I have accomplished during work hours, but what you think I might do when I’m off the clock some years from now. Meanwhile, men are not subjected to this. Once again, there is no “if” about sexism in the workforce.
As for the statistics, you incompetent, meddling, nincompoop …
Statistical models are there to help us gain understanding into real-life situations. They are not meant to serve as the end-all be-all to anything. In any given scenario, you rarely have EVERY variable that is important for the model. You are limited to that for which you have properly-obtained data. Anything that you didn’t know to collect or otherwise failed to collect in an unbiased manner isn’t included… so no model is all-inclusive. No question is completely answered based on one model. No statistical model holds all the answers. It can relate variables, but not give you the definitive answer. This is why there are confidence LIMITS, predictive LIMITS and why we interpret things as “based on the variables available” and “based on this data”. You’re supposed to keep in mind that it is all theoretical, all limited, and not applicable in every scenario.
Women are not simply a factor in a productivity equation. And the fact that your equation is using childbirth as the reason women will be less productive, but doesn’t take into consideration women who will never have a child or who will continue to work after having a child, would tell any thinking person that this equation is not valid in all cases. A great model adjusts for key differences as much as possible, but is harder to interpret… it mimics real life in complexity but typically won’t be reported because it will be “too hard to use”. A reportable model is incredibly simplistic (doesn’t include too many variables as to make it easier to interpret) but not nearly as applicable. If you understood Statistics, you would know this asshat.
Bottom line, this is a pragmatic issue that shouldn’t be left to simplistic theory…especially from sexists and someone who has no earthly clue what the hell he’s talking about.
Did you really compare wages to life insurance, dude? really? The money I use to raise my family versus the money my family uses to bury me? There you go looking into the future again, being all theory-based while turning a blind eye to the here and now aka my wages and the sexism that limits them.